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  • #40753

    Anonymous

    Having watched the film last night I would like to see the poor deceased Ledger win some sort of award. How about the Completely Mis-cast Katie Award from the first film, or the Jack Sparrow Silly Voice Award?

    Sorry to be so cynical but the movie is absolutely awesome, Ledger is not, there are glaring inconsistencies in his performance and his voice is ridiculous. It is typical of these times and the paricular sentimentality of Hollywood that Ledger’s portrayal of a cartoon villian should be tipped for an Oscar because of his death.

    Sir Michael Caine said the performance is so good that he forgot his lines after Ledger’s entrance to the party scene, this is a good job as SMC didn’t have any more lines in that scene and so his statement is revealed as false. Now apparently Ledger closed himself off into a hotel room for an entire month to "become" the Joker. I’m sorry but does this mean it is automatically worthy of an oscar? It shows a certain degree of commitment to a role that seriously didn’t demand it and I wonder if he spent a solid month sleeping with Cowboys for his role in Torchwood, sorry "Bareback Mounting."

    I’m afraid this years oscars will be trumped by Katie Holmes purely because she auditioned for, and landed, the role of Tom Cruise’s scientoligist wife (Anyone remember that chubby, welsh lass from our telly’s who married that old man in hollywood, and Hey Presto all of a sudden Oscar Nominated for Traffic?) and the poor, unfortunate Ledger. Ledger’s performance does not warrant a prestigious award which begs the question..why is it being talked about? If you give someone an award not for their acting skills but because they managed to accidentally overdose on about a million various prescription drugs then aren’t you in some sick way awarding Death?

    My argument is not that the performance in the film isn’t any good at all, it’s fine but it doesn’t outstrip any of the other actors, indeed it is the most likely to get it wrong and wreck the film, something it comes close to once or twice. This is also fine (it’s a Batman movie ffs!) but the Oscar spotlight has purely revealed itself for what it is, syrupy, oversentimental and sanctimonious.

    Worst of all, he isn’t a shade on Jack or Cesar it is just a better film with better make up, production and direction.

    #102701

    Anonymous

    Ooh, controversial…but you did make me laugh with your "Bareback Mounting" quip!

    To be fair to Sir Michael the lines he says he forgot but don’t appear in that scene may be because they ended up on the cutting room floor – doesn’t necessarily make him a sentimental fool… but you’re probably right!

    #102702

    Anonymous

    It’s a great movie, very enjoyable and dark but Ledger is just what he is I’m afraid, another cartoon villian.

    #102704

    Anonymous

    DHH – Artron for good old outspoken honesty.

    Haven’t seen the film yet, but am weary and cynical about the Oscars ‘game.’ I can’t honestly see why anyone should get an Oscar for playing a cartoon baddie, no matter how well they’re portrayed, or whether they’re a heavyweight actor or recently deceased. Should we get Al Pacino to play Dick Dastardly in ‘Catch the Pigeon’ and give him an Oscar too?

    I recall Jack Nicholson being touted for an Oscar in some circles for his Joker; thank God he didn’t win it, cos he was basically just arsing around as a cartoon character. Mind, the same thing can be said of Anthony Hopkins as Hannibal – a completely unbelievable 1D character and performance in a good film.

    I certainly don’t think that the Oscars get it right very often anyway – we all know it’s a joke, like Eurovision. I know it’s debatable about what type of performance should get an Oscar – we’ve all slagged them off for automatically giving best actor awards for anyone playing a character with a disability – but come on! It’s the Joker, for C’s sake.

    Sadly, the ‘tragically early death’ element seems to override common sense here.

    #102706

    Anonymous

    We have the sham marriages of Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes, which of course followed his sham marriage to Nicole Kidman who he divorced days before they had been together 10 years so she would not be entitled to half his wealth. Notice how her star rose dramatically immediately afterwards too? We have the sham marriage of Brad Pitt and Jennifer Aniston who failed to make an impression at the box ofice where it matters so the whole Brad and Angelina marriage sham was inflicted upon us. We have the sham marriage of Michael Douglas and Catherine Zeta Jones whose star also rose dramatically after the nuptials and now we have the whole Heath Ledger for a posthumous oscar affair for basically smacking his lips, blinking and speaking in a very stupid voice for two hours, the Joker in the new film is portrayed very diffrently from the previous films in that there is no origin story, no chemical pool to fall into, however it doesn’t detract from the fact that to play the Joker you need to do a few things right:

    Jump around manically
    Laugh manically
    Kill a lot of people while laughing manically and jumping around manically

    Unfortunately Jacky boy was too fat to pull off the jumping around and too intelligent to come across as a deranged maniac, let’s face it, it wasn’t a hard act to follow. What bugs me is all these people saying Ledger has created the greatest baddie this summer, I doubt he had very little to do with the creation of the costumes, make up and story of the Joker. He just turned up, did his thing and then died, now all of a sudden he’s the finest actor of his generation. As a heterosexual I have no interest whatsoever in seeing "Bareback Mounting", I am not homophobic in any shape or form but I don’t mince my words and I wouldn’t pay for a fat girl to give me a lapdance, I like to control what passes in front of my eyes to a certain extent so I won’t be watching that film at any time however it strikes me that if he was deserving of a posthumous oscar they should give it to him for that or one of his many other err critically acclaimed movies like a Knight’s Tale or The Patriot.

    He will of course remain the finest actor of his generation until the next one dies, and that’s it. The "ive Ledger an oscar for his performance" brigade better hope that Danial Day Lewis doesn’t get hit by a bus between now and oscar time or even worse, something happens to the illegitimate son of Steven Spielberg and George Lucas, Shia LeBoof. The Oscars should be given to..

    Arranged marriage of the year
    Dead actor of the year
    This years favourite foreigners (see Kenneth Branagh and Emma Thompson)

    and finally

    The Adrien Brody award for ugly, skinny whelp from a Hollywood jewish family who is in blockbusters because he wants to be and possibly may have threatened to stamp his feet a little if he wasn’t given the role of the next Indiana Jones.

    #102708

    Anonymous
    "Dr Hula Hoop":1movn6qc wrote:
    We have the sham marriages of Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes, which of course followed his sham marriage to Nicole Kidman who he divorced days before they had been together 10 years so she would not be entitled to half his wealth. Notice how her star rose dramatically immediately afterwards too? We have the sham marriage of Brad Pitt and Jennifer Aniston who failed to make an impression at the box ofice where it matters so the whole Brad and Angelina marriage sham was inflicted upon us. We have the sham marriage of Michael Douglas and Catherine Zeta Jones whose star also rose dramatically after the nuptials and now we have the whole Heath Ledger for a posthumous oscar affair for basically smacking his lips, blinking and speaking in a very stupid voice for two hours, the Joker in the new film is portrayed very diffrently from the previous films in that there is no origin story, no chemical pool to fall into, however it doesn’t detract from the fact that to play the Joker you need to do a few things right:

    Jump around manically
    Laugh manically
    Kill a lot of people while laughing manically and jumping around manically

    Unfortunately Jacky boy was too fat to pull off the jumping around and too intelligent to come across as a deranged maniac, let’s face it, it wasn’t a hard act to follow. What bugs me is all these people saying Ledger has created the greatest baddie this summer, I doubt he had very little to do with the creation of the costumes, make up and story of the Joker. He just turned up, did his thing and then died, now all of a sudden he’s the finest actor of his generation. As a heterosexual I have no interest whatsoever in seeing "Bareback Mounting", I am not homophobic in any shape or form but I don’t mince my words and I wouldn’t pay for a fat girl to give me a lapdance, I like to control what passes in front of my eyes to a certain extent so I won’t be watching that film at any time however it strikes me that if he was deserving of a posthumous oscar they should give it to him for that or one of his many other err critically acclaimed movies like a Knight’s Tale or The Patriot.

    He will of course remain the finest actor of his generation until the next one dies, and that’s it. The "ive Ledger an oscar for his performance" brigade better hope that Danial Day Lewis doesn’t get hit by a bus between now and oscar time or even worse, something happens to the illegitimate son of Steven Spielberg and George Lucas, Shia LeBoof. The Oscars should be given to..

    Arranged marriage of the year
    Dead actor of the year
    This years favourite foreigners (see Kenneth Branagh and Emma Thompson)

    and finally

    The Adrien Brody award for ugly, skinny whelp from a Hollywood jewish family who is in blockbusters because he wants to be and possibly may have threatened to stamp his feet a little if he wasn’t given the role of the next Indiana Jones.
    [/quote:1movn6qc]

    And who is the mug letting himself get wound up by this crock of nonsense…?

    None of these people are of any real consequence, no matter what anyone says.  Just ignore em and get on with your life!

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    #102709

    Anonymous

    "None of these people are of any real consequence, no matter what anyone says.&nbsp; Just ignore em and get on with your life!"

    Bit like the Dr Who gang then when it all boils down to it.

    You love it when I have a rant Christian, you know you do, you’ve just been smoking something particularly strong today and believe you have risen amongst all these worldly cares. I wish I could rise above this kind of celebrity garbage too but for some reason I can’t, in Spain the Oscars are almost as big as in the States and the papers are full of nothing else for months before.

    I just wish Dawkins would write a book about it, the Celebrity Delusion.

    #102710

    Anonymous

    It just get’s better, Bale has been arrested today after assaulting his Mother and Sister in a hotel. What a tough guy.

    #102711

    Anonymous
    &quot;Dr Hula Hoop&quot;:qhba24om wrote:
    "None of these people are of any real consequence, no matter what anyone says.&nbsp; Just ignore em and get on with your life!"

    Bit like the Dr Who gang then when it all boils down to it.

    [/quote:qhba24om]

    Absolutely right – except DW is fun, holds my interest and has a touch of real magic.&nbsp; Tinseltown is nothing but coke on mirrors, prossies and wife/sibling/parent battering with a monthly awards ceremony.

    It’s just not for me, and I don’t care for it.&nbsp; How on earth the smattering of nice, real actors and actresses out there put up with it I don’t know, but they can keep it, and you can keep your celeb bulletins, heat magazines, 3am and all that other celeb BS.

    Like the music industry, but it’ll hold on for dear life long after musicians regain control of their dues.

    And don’t get me started on governments

    I just wish Dawkins would write a book about it, the Celebrity Delusion.

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    Now that I *would* borrow from the library

    You love it when I have a rant Christian, you know you do
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    I do love it, but yes I have risen above these trivial nonsensical nonentities.&nbsp; Life’s too short to get bogged down by it all.

    #102712

    Anonymous

    It’s a slow day here! Am getting married on Friday remember and everything is done so am in a bit of a limbo, got nothing else to do except write lengthy attacks on Heath Ledger, if you go to the times website and look in the comments there’s loads on there from me too!

    #102716

    Anonymous
    &quot;Dr Hula Hoop&quot;:rdp2jhhl wrote:
    I wouldn’t pay for a fat girl to give me a lapdance
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    NO, but you’d let her do it for free and leave a snail trail on your kecks.

    #102720

    Anonymous

    How did you get 43 Artron points?

    #102726

    Anonymous

    F*** knows.

    Jealous?

    And how did you get 15 just for cracking jokes at the expense of fat birds and gays?

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    Consistent, though. Gotta give you that.

    #102727

    Anonymous
    &quot;CastellanSpandrel&quot;:1x6uexsk wrote:
    F*** knows.

    Jealous?

    And how did you get 15 just for cracking jokes at the expense of fat birds and gays?

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    Consistent, though. Gotta give you that.
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    Artron for CS!

    #102742

    Anonymous

    You see, Hoop – I’m cursed with artron!

    I had to sleep my way through Kasterborous Towers to get most of it.

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